Evil Bikes "Chamois Hagar"

This bike is definitely pushing the envelope with regards to geometry. I have to say that it would be fun to commute to work on this, and then hit a bit of single track after work before heading home. 

https://www.evil-bikes.com/a/bikes/chamois-hagar

Nope. Nope. Nope.
no wheelbarrows for me

I agree Volsung.

Yeah.  Definitely interesting bike.  More slack than my current 140mm FS MTB.  Maybe overkill. I do like the short ST for more dropper clearance.  That's my biggest gripe with even most of the newer gravel frames.  

It’s really a drop bar mountain bike.  It’s not  something I’d be interested in, but it’s an interesting take on a gravel bike.

I Like it just not sure Its a gravel bike by my standards, pretty long and fork is a bit raked out for ME but it is really close to something I have been wanting for a while. We have 20+ miles of single track about 15 miles from my home its just a bit mellow/boring on my trail bike but a bit much at decent speeds on my 32c gravel bike.....  something like this could be really fun to ride to the park and hit the trails on.   Even though its designed as a bike pack machine  the Salsa Cutthroat seems like another mountain/gravel bike leaning more towards the gravel side end of the spectrum vs the enduro leaning Evil.     

I don’t think Shiggy is angry. I think that’s a normal response to 93mm of trail.

With this funky geometry this bike is probably great at a specific thing or two and not so good at a whole bunch of things. This is the kind of bike where I look forward to reading a review article where someone else has taken the time/risk to become involved.

Skldmark wrote:I don’t think shiggy is angry. I think that’s a normal response to 93mm of trail.

Yup. The trail, total reach (frame reach + stem length), and front-center.
Heck, I do not like more than ~70mm of trail on my MTB.
Totally changes the weight distribution and steering response. 
Compared to my main bike the XL CH has 51mm more trail, 24mm less total reach, and 115mm longer F-C. Plus the chainstays are 15mm shorter. The BB drop is about the same but I run 650Bx47 tires (with full fenders) and have clearance for 650Bx2.2” or 700Cx50 without fenders.
Add that I run 2x9, 44/30x11-34 with a proper 47mm chainline and still have stay clearance for the big tires and chainrings without dimples in the steel tubes or dropped stays.

@shiggy, clarify for me on reach comparison between your bike and Evil Chamois H.- which one is longer reach/total reach? My impression, looking mainly at size (S), was of too long top tube/reach to run a drop bar/wider flared drop. Although my numbers got pretty close if I considered a 35mm stem (and 0* offset seatpost).

Skldmark wrote:@shiggy, clarify for me on reach comparison between your bike and Evil Chamois H.- which one is longer reach/total reach? My impression, looking mainly at size (S), was of too long top tube/reach to run a drop bar/wider flared drop. Although my numbers got pretty close if I considered a 35mm stem (and 0* offset seatpost).

 

I am using the geometry of the XL CH because it has a similar stack to my bike, same ST angle, and the total reach is the closest.
On low stack frames the reach shortens as you raise the stem because of the HTA, and the slacker the HTA the more the reach shortens as the stem goes up.

Evil frame has a longer reach than mine, but uses a 50mm stem.
My frame is a shorter reach and I use a 120mm -17degree stem. The total reach (frame+stem) is 24mm longer on my bike.
I set the stem clamp a specific distance behind the front axle to get the basic weight distribution I want. I can get this on very few, if any, current production frames, so I make my own.
Even if I used a 75mm stem on the XL Evil, I would still be about 90mm further behind the front axle than I like.
The Evil fork even has less offset than my fork! (More offset=less trail)

and do not use seatpost offset to adjust reach to the bar. When you spend hours pedaling in the saddle your position over the BB/cranks matters.

Using the CH with a front load is also a question.
Weight on the front—especially the fork—naturally slows steering responsiveness. Low trail geometry tends to maintain stability with a load while remaining responsive and agile.

Yep, the zero offset seatpost helps make sense of the 71-72* seattube angle on size S and that 58.6cm top tube (where 53cm has been my usual for drop bars)
 - thanks and cheers