Project Wide Gravel Wheels: Checkpoint

<Back to News Home |

Project Wide Gravel Wheels: Checkpoint

The concept of wider rims has been taking the mountain bike scene, and to a lesser extent, the road cycling scene, by storm. What once was considered “trail” width wheels are now being raced in Pro mountain bike cross country races. Road racers that once were using rims that had outer width dimensions in the 20mm range are now riding rims with 21mm or wider inner rim width dimensions. The basis for this is two-fold: Wider rims support tires better, thus allowing for lower air pressures while still maintaining control, which lends the rider more comfort, and in many cases, lower rolling resistance as well. Secondly, the wider rims tend to also “open up” the clincher tire casings, making the side walls work better, and which also gives tires more volume. This allows for the aforementioned benefits to work to the rider’s best advantage.

Wide Gravel Wheels

One of the down sides of big tires and wider rims? They may not fit your bike, or leave any room for mud.

 

Wide Gravel Wheels

Clement’s new MSO 36mm tubeless ready tires as mounted to our PWGW rims.

The first tires that were tried were the Panaracer Gravel King SK 40’s which were mounted tubeless and were spread out to render a width of 43.11mm. This makes the Gravel King on the wider rims a tough fit on a lot of bikes. The Twin Six Standard Rando was one bike I tried these wheels and tires on, and while they worked, it was not without issues. Things like no mud clearance, and almost no room for gravel bits to pass through under the mono-stay and fork crown made me realize the T-6 Standard Rando was a bad fit with these tires and wheels. I subsequently moved the combo to my Raleigh Tamland and that bike has plenty of clearance for this wheel and tire set up. See our last post HERE for more on the Nano 40’s I first tried on these rims.

This led to the conclusion that wider rims and the bigger gravel class tires are probably outside the realm of what is possible for the vast majority of bikes being used on gravel now. So, out with the Gravel Kings and in with a lighter, skinnier tire to see what the effects of the KOM i25 rims might be with tires that actually fit many bikes.

The tire I chose was the recently tested Clement MSO 36mm tire. These tires mounted on HED Ardennes+ rims at 40psi were 39mm wide. Swapped over to the KOM 125 rims, I got the same, 39mm width, but there was a difference in how the shape of the tire looked as compared to the shape of the Clement when it was on the HED rims. On the KOM i25’s, the MSO looked flatter, and the side walls came up from the rim to the tread area in a straighter angle than they did on the HED rims. This tells me that the KOM i25 rims are probably pushing the limits of fit for a tire the size of this Clement 36mm MSO.

Obviously, I did not gain any width, or there was very little difference, not enough to be relevant. What about how the tire rode? In that regard, yes- I think that there is a difference there. The MSO on the HED rims felt best at an air pressure of around 50psi, maybe a bit lower. However; on the KOM i25’s, I have never run over 40psi, and the tires don’t have the “drop”, or “sag” that they did at similar pressures when I had them mounted to the HED rims.

Wide Gravel Wheels

Project Wide Gravel Wheels on the Tamland with the Clement MSO 36mm tires.

Of course, in the end all that matters is how the bicycle rides and performs. In the case of the MSO on the KOM 125 rim, I have found that the tire’s basic characteristics remain intact, and perhaps those characteristics were slightly enhanced. The differences from when the MSO was mounted on the HED rim may be just nuances to some. So, what’s the big deal?

Well, as you recall, I stated that the tread area was flattened out a bit more. This has resulted in more tread hitting the ground than it had before, since just a little bit of sag drops the edges of the tread that much closer to the surface. On pavement I noted little change, but on gravel, the tire acted like the bigger Gravel King. On the HED rims, the MSO was a tad bit squirrely laterally. It demonstrated less of a tendency to move around on loose gravel when mounted to the wider rims. So, instead of running a bigger, heavier tire, (Gravel King), I could run the MSO 36mm and have similar stability with less weight. The lack of weight was noticeable, by the way, as the lighter MSO spun up with less effort. Also, it is worth noting that a 39mm tire will fit better on bikes where 43+mm tires may not, or would leave little clearances for mud and bits of gravel.

How wide is too wide for a rim in these instances? I think I have found the upper limit for a gravel road tire. In my estimation, for bikes running frames that afford clearances for really big gravel tires, like the Raleigh Tamland, the KOM i25 is a good choice if you will be running bigger tires anyway. However; most bikes probably would be just as well with a 21mm-23mm inner width dimension, which should work really well with tires from 35mm all the way up to 40mm tires if there is enough clearance for tires on the wider end of the scale.

So Far…… The PWGW set up is intriguing and seems to do to tires what we’ve seen done with mountain bike and road tires.  It seems that a 25mm inner width dimension is making bigger gravel class tires a no-go as far as fit is concerned. It is looking as though a 35-38mm width tire is optimal for this project, but perhaps a 23mm inner rim width is really the sweet spot for most gravel road type bicycles and tires. Stay tuned for our final verdict coming soon!

Note: RidingGravel.com received the WTB KOM i25 rims at no charge for this project. All other wheel components are being paid for out of pocket by Guitar Ted. We are not being paid, nor bribed for this review and we will strive to give our honest thoughts and opinions throughout.

Discuss and share your questions or thoughts about gravel bikes, gear, events and anything else on the Riding Gravel Forum

, , ,

6 Responses to Project Wide Gravel Wheels: Checkpoint

  1. Pete L April 18, 2016 at 7:18 am #

    Hi there. I was really interested to read this article but there is one thing that doesn’t quite add up.

    You mention that the Panaracer is 43.11mm on the KOM rim and come to the conclusion that its bigger than 40mm because of the rim, but the Clement is the same on both because its a smaller tire. Now there may be some logic in that but an increase of over 7% (from listed width) just from the rim? I’m not convinced. Would it be possible to try the Panaracer on the HED? Could it not just be a wide tire for its size?

    Thanks,

    Pete

    • Guitar Ted April 18, 2016 at 11:08 pm #

      Pete, it is not only possible, but I had already done it. So, a quick trip to measure things out shows an overall width of the Gravel Kings now at just a bit over 40mm at 40.15mm. I can noticeably see a different profile to the tire as it goes from the tread area to the rim.

      The Clement is a case where, in my opinion, the width of the rim versus the width of the tire has reached that point of diminishing returns we often hear about. I don’t think mounting the Clement MSO 36 is a bad idea on the KOM i25’s, but due to the width of the tire being closer to the width of the inner rim dimension, I think we are seeing that there probably is a quantifiable relationship to tire width/rim width where you gain volume and width versus where you begin to see a drop off of benefits to going to a wider rim or narrower tire. Many tire companies are starting to give recommendations to this effect. Teravail being one of them.

      That said, I am not smart enough to “science that out” here. I wanted to demonstrate that while “wider is better” in most cases with regard to rims, there is a place where that becomes less true and then not at all true if you push that boundary far enough.

      • Pete L April 19, 2016 at 10:28 am #

        Thanks for the quick reply.

        At first I was a little disappointed as I think it makes it a no go on my gravel bike (around 6-7mm either side on the current 40mm tire) and having experienced the joy of wider rims on my road bike, I was very much looking forward to the same improvement.

        That said, a narrower tire which would give the same volume of air as the 40mm on the previous rim but with less weight could still make it a good upgrade.

        Thanks for the brilliant site. Keep up the good work.

        Pete

  2. Jon Steinhauser May 14, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

    When you measure the inner width of the rim, are you just going to the edge of the rim or to the inside of the groove where the bead hooks?

    • Guitar Ted May 14, 2016 at 9:33 pm #

      The standard practice is to measure to the inside of the rim/tire bead interface.

Trackbacks/Pingbacks

  1. Project Wide Gravel Wheels: At The Finish - - May 30, 2016

    […] With the Spring over and Summer coming on strong it is time to revisit our long term test wheels. Dubbed “Project Wide Gravel Wheels” due to the wide, WTB KOM i25 rims, these wheels feature an inner rim width at least 4mm or more wider than what most wheels have on “gravel/adventure” bikes.  This time I will relate what has happened with tires I’ve used and how they have performed on these wheels versus others I have here as test mules. The last update on the PWGW can be found here. […]

Leave a Reply

by Riding Gravel 2014