I just re-read and frankly, I don't really sense shaming, just folks expressing their particular value opinions on the new vs. old versions. Weight weenie is not really a derogatory term; it is pretty much common semantics at this point and some take it as a point of pride. Yep, everyone gets to assess value in their own terms.
Frankly, that you are trying to portray that your post was not snarky is pretty comical; you are clearly mocking older riders with physical issues who buy every possible suspension device so they can ride comfortably.
If you are gonna' say it, at least own it.
I can tell you're new here. Do we need to compare scars and handicap parking stickers?
Also did the forum add notifications recently? I'm suddenly getting emails every time someone quotes me. I turned it off, but did that turn on when we lost our profile pictures?
I see this is heading toward a dead-end road. I will suggest your terrain has a lot to do with whether this is something useful to you. There's a big difference from riding cinders and pea gravel as opposed to thick chunky rock that beats your body up for hours on end. I like the stem and it does help to quiet the buzz and chatter. It's not a Lauf, and isn't intended to be. If you haven't used one reserve judgement. If you have, by all means chime in with your experience. As always, your mileage may vary.
Zurichman wrote:Curious to people that have used this. How much vibration buzz did it take out of your bars? How hard was it to find out which 0 ring(elastomers) to use?
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To me the best way I can explain the feeling is that when I forget about the stem, it feels like I need to add air to my front tire. Kind of that soft squishy feeling going over bumps, but in a good way. As far as the elastomers, I went with the recommended numbers in the weight recommendations in the instructions. But now reading this thread, I might try to go one level softer and see how that feels.
To me the best way I can explain the feeling is that when I forget about the stem, it feels like I need to add air to my front tire. Kind of that soft squishy feeling going over bumps, but in a good way. As far as the elastomers, I went with the recommended numbers in the weight recommendations in the instructions. But now reading this thread, I might try to go one level softer and see how that feels.
As easy as it is to change the elastomer, go for it and see if you can find a setting that you really love. I didn't think I would like it being as soft as I have it but it really makes a difference when you hit something you didn't anticipate/couldn't avoid.
As easy as it is to change the elastomer, go for it and see if you can find a setting that you really love. I didn't think I would like it being as soft as I have it but it really makes a difference when you hit something you didn't anticipate/couldn't avoid.
SWGraveler I had this happen to me last night. I came out of the mt. and hit the edge of where the dirt road meet the macadam. Big gap/hard hit and not a lot of fun.
Zurichman wrote:Curious to people that have used this. How much vibration buzz did it take out of your bars? How hard was it to find out which 0 ring(elastomers) to use?
It takes a lot of the bumps out of the ride. For the most part, it eliminated wrist pain or upper body soreness in general after big days. Setup is easy and there's a guide to follow. The guide was right on for me. Having long length hex sockets like these is helpful for getting the torque exact on the piece that holds the elastomers in place.
I am in the unique position of having the exact same frame, handlebars and bar tape on two bikes. One has a standard stem and one has the Shockstop. It's absolutely noticeable when I take the standard stemmed single speed out on gravel. You remember as soon as you hit some chunk. I'm only 37 and use 40 mm tires at a low psi, but why beat up your body more than you need to? Love the Shockstop stem.
It takes a lot of the bumps out of the ride. For the most part, it eliminated wrist pain or upper body soreness in general after big days. Setup is easy and there's a guide to follow. The guide was right on for me. Having long length hex sockets like these is helpful for getting the torque exact on the piece that holds the elastomers in place.
I am in the unique position of having the exact same frame, handlebars and bar tape on two bikes. One has a standard stem and one has the Shockstop. It's absolutely noticeable when I take the standard stemmed single speed out on gravel. You remember as soon as you hit some chunk. I'm only 37 and use 40 mm tires at a low psi, but why beat up your body more than you need to? Love the Shockstop stem.
Thanks for the tools info Dangle. I sell Tools at Lowes so guess I got that. I haven't heard/seen any real negatives on this post as far as the - effects of the stem so I am in.
Zurichman wrote:Thanks for the tools info Dangle. I sell Tools at Lowes so guess I got that. I haven't heard/seen any real negatives on this post as far as the - effects of the stem so I am in.
Needing a long 3mm hex socket to get the proper torque is somewhat of a negative. A few extra grams of weight. It's kind of ugly labeling. It has way more positive than negatives.
Zx10freak wrote: If there is one draw back of the redshift, its that there is no negative dampening... in other words, there is a gap between the guts of the stem and the bottom of the body which makes it a little awkward when pulling up on the bars to clear pot holes or bunny hopping
The way you describe it sounds like a big design flaw. Could you explain more what you mean by this?
The way you describe it sounds like a big design flaw. Could you explain more what you mean by this?
Not a flaw,and definitely not a design problem! the way the stem works is you put elastic "pucks" in the top of the cavity, then you bolt in a wedge to hold them in place. with that wedge set in, you don't have enough room to put anything in it that would keep it stiff in the opposite direction..
its really more of a nitpick then a problem and honestly its so minuet I don't really notice it any longer. I only remember it from my first impressions.
that all said. I had to get a shorter stem after my bike fit. when installing it I found they have a different set up for holding the wedges in. I don't know if that's because it that much shorter or a new design. unfortunately the only chance I had to ride it was up and down my driveway (Timing and MN weather sucks) and I never thought to see if that pulling up "Gap" was still there.
Play nice gang. I'll delete and remove you from the forum. I've done it before and have kind of a quick trigger. Thanks.
Volsung, there were some changes. We had to upgrade to a beefier setup with some more horsepower. The forum provider also did some upgrades too. So, yeah, some things you may need to update. Too many people, pictures, and comments!!
Again, I'm not going to tolerate personal attacks. As a personal experience, I like the RedShift stem.
I thought I would add my 2 cents here since I have alot of experience with the Redshift stemshock on my 2 gravel bikes and my wife's one gravel bike. We ride every day and put lots of miles on these bikes. By the way, we rode all these bikes for close to a year before the shocks. I definitely feel an improvement in road/gravel chatter but not much in harder hits as might occur with ruts and rocks etc. To be sure, going tubeless and lowering the tire pressure will take out alot of vibration also, maybe even more. But, the shock adds noticeably to going tubeless. Also, I learned to use the elastomers for a slighter lighter weight which gives even a little more softening. Keep in mind that the shorter the stem will allow less softening. Further, the higher the head tube/bars, as in a touring bike, may lessen the softening since there is less weight on the shock. I don't find much benefit on my touring bike and don't use one on it. Overall, this shock is easy to install and the elastomers are easy to place and change if needed. Finally, I doubt that I would feel any benefit of the less weight option as stated in prior posts.
Frank wrote:I thought I would add my 2 cents here since I have alot of experience with the Redshift stemshock on my 2 gravel bikes and my wife's one gravel bike. We ride every day and put lots of miles on these bikes. By the way, we rode all these bikes for close to a year before the shocks. I definitely feel an improvement in road/gravel chatter but not much in harder hits as might occur with ruts and rocks etc. To be sure, going tubeless and lowering the tire pressure will take out alot of vibration also, maybe even more. But, the shock adds noticeably to going tubeless. Also, I learned to use the elastomers for a slighter lighter weight which gives even a little more softening. Keep in mind that the shorter the stem will allow less softening. Further, the higher the head tube/bars, as in a touring bike, may lessen the softening since there is less weight on the shock. I don't find much benefit on my touring bike and don't use one on it. Overall, this shock is easy to install and the elastomers are easy to place and change if needed. Finally, I doubt that I would feel any benefit of the less weight option as stated in prior posts.
copy that - and hey ti bolts have allready been updated ...
you can get similar weight saving by switching the top plate to the ones from the uno stem and bolts to ti. I got my 100mm down to 245g, only 5g more than the pro version
