I'm still on the hunt for a Gravel/Adventure bike here in the UK.
\nJust noticed that Evans Cycles have the Norco Search Ultegra 2016 model on clearance at £1999, which works out at around $2660.
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\nThey've a few in stock in my size and its £1000 cheaper than its list price, Evans usually do 10% discount but this still seems like a good deal.
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\nAny one got one/tried one/picked another bike over it?
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\nVery few reviews of the bike this side of the Atlantic.
\nCheers,
\nAndy
I'm not a gravel racer. I do ride a lot of adventure gravel rides in my area.
I picked up a Carbon Search from my LBS about 2 months ago after taking one on a long demo ride.
I absolutely love the bike. It truely is an excellent all-rounder. I ride in an area where there is a mix of gravel and tarmac, and find that, given the right tires, it transitions perfectly between the two surfaces. I really don't feel like I'm compromising anything on the road, and it really does excel on gravel too.
I'm currently running Clement XPLOR USH 120 tpi with tubes at around 50f/55r (I'm 6' 5" - 240lbs) and they have served me well so far.
Once I wear these out, I may consider looking at a tubeless setup, but for now I'm really happy with this the way it is.
If you have any specific questions, let me know and I'll see if I can answer.
Edit to add: I guess I should mention that several of my riding buddies and my girlfriend have also picked up Search's recently, and they are also very pleased.
Thanks for the reply Jim, seems a good bike for the discounted price. I was looking at the GT Grade Ultegra 16 or waiting until the Jamis Renegade Elite 17 arrives over here.
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\nI know the Search has mudguard/fender mounts, I'll need them as my club insists on mudguards November to April on group rides and was going to use the Search as a Adventure Bike Spring Summer and Autumn and convert it to my Winter ride with narrower tyres and full guards.
\nDoes the location of the fender mounts make it look possible to fit full length guards?
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\nI'm going to contact Evans(sole distributor in the UK) to see if they can get me a 53cm to demo, I think the 50.5 may be a little small but I'll try both sizes.
\nHow do you find the stock wheels, heavy but trail proof? There's no real gravel to speak of over here, the bike will be mainly used for light off roading, single track, bridle ways, fire roads etc, nothing too extreme.
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\nAndy
Sorry, I can't really say about the mudguard mounting. I have a commuter that is specifically set up for wet riding for the rare occasion that I venture out in the rain.
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\nThe only mudguard I have any experience with is the Portland Design city Fenders. I'm not sure they would work a they are fairly bulky.
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\nI'll take a closer look at the mounts when I'm home a little later.
Thanks for the photos Jim. I had a test ride on a demo Search 105, really impressed and ordered the 2016 Ultegra Search, got a little bit more discount from a benefit through my job, so in the end I'll be paying around $2400/£1850 which I'm more than happy with.
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\nI'll post some photos when I collect the bike and change out the seat post for a Thomson Elite and stock saddle for a Selle SMP I've got laying around my bike shed.
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\nI notice you've got hybrid discs on your bike, they come with full hydraulics here, is that how the Search is sold or was it your choice?
I built mine using (mostly) stuff I had laying around.
I wanted to try a 1x11 setup, so I used an Ultegra crankset I had but installed a Wolftooth 40t narrow wide chainring (you can see it in one of the pictures).
The RD is currently an Ultegra 6800 GS with a Wolftooth Roadlink adapter and a SRAM 11-32 cassette.
I like this setup really well, but after one particular ride where I had to hoof it up a 20% grade, I decided I needed a little more gear range, so I ordered a Wolftooth Tanpan, and will use it with an XT Shadow rear derailleur and a Shimano 11-40 cassette.
This is just an experiment really. If it doesn't work out, I'll just bolt a derailleur on it and put the 11/34 chainrings back on.
This is my second bike with TRP Hy/Rd brakes. My first was my Volagi Viaje (see the picture thread). They are really fantastic for a cable pull brake. I tried Avid BB7's and they were crap. I contemplated TRP Spyres and the Hy/Rds, and after reading some reviews decided to try the Hy/Rd's and have zero regrets.
The reason I chose these over full hydraulic was because I already had a set of mechanical 6800 shifters, and didn't want to deal with the hassle of the hoses, bleeding, etc...
The TRP Hy/Rd is a fully closed system. It never needs servicing (other than the occasional pad replacement).
Post up some ride pics of your bike when you get it.
Edit:
You may also have noticed that my chain is completely dry.
I'm using a parrafin hot wax called "Molten Speed Wax" on all of my bikes this year. So far, it's been really great. Everything stays so clean and dry. The only downside is that it has to be re-applied fairly frequently (every 100-150 miles or so, depending on conditions). I just treat three chains and rotate them as needed. If needed, I will use some "Squirt" liquid wax treatment in between hot wax baths to extend the life another 75-100 miles.
It's so nice not having muck and grime on the bikes. No fear bringing them inside (once I've rinsed the mud off of them). No more greasy hands, chainring tattoos, or oil/grease stains.
Hi Jim,
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\nStill waiting to collect the Search, it's still in a warehouse somewhere I imagine.
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\nI'll run with the stock wheels and tyre set up to start and then change over to tubeless set up later. I'm a recent convert to tubeless, I have Schwlbe Pro One on my Ti road bike, great puncture resistance so far and make a comfortable ride even smoother.
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\nI'm thinking tubeless will be the way to go on a gravel/adventure rig over here as lots of flints/sharps on the roads and pathways.
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\nAre they HED Belgium Plus rims on your Search? Would love a set of those on some good hubs, very pricey in the UK though!!
Yea, I'm a devoted HED Belguim Plus rider. All of my bikes (sans one) have them. Most are on Chris King hubs. One is on DT Swiss 350's. I have about 10k miles on one set of them and the've never even had to be trued. I did have them serviced, just because Chris King suggests it, but after opening them up, the tech said they were still in new condition.
Sounds like we have a lot in common, at least as far as bikes go (not the wife thing.. I don't have one of those ).
Just tell her... they are the safest wheels you can get for riding gravel!! She doesn't want you to get hurt does she?
BTW, I just put some tubeless Clement MSO tires on. This is my first experience with a tubeless installation. I have to say, at least so far, it was a cinch. Zero mess. The tape was the biggest pain, just getting it centered in the rim channel. Once that was installed, the rest was easy.
I put some Orange sealant in them and inflated them up to 60psi (max) and rolled the around to get the sealant dispersed.
I guess I'll see in the morning how much air they still have.
If the weather holds, and the tires are functional, I'm going to take it for a test spin on some local trails. See how it goes.
Edit: I may poke a little hole in one of the tires tomorrow to test the sealing process. I guess I should know that works before I go riding off into the wilderness with them.
Andy, I picked up a 2105 ex-demo Search Ultegra from Evans last year. I really like it but do find the front end a bit harsh and have wondered about swapping the forks out.
With regards to your questions on mudguards I've been running a set of 45mm SKS Bluemels. The stays need a fair amount of shaping particularly on the front but they do fit. I much prefer riding without them though!
Quite a lot of my riding is on tarmac as most of our trails here in the Peak District (UK) are quite rocky - whilst I've coped on the Search they're more enjoyable on a mountain bike - and our summer so far has been pretty wet. On tarmac I've been riding Hutchinson Sector 28's setup tubeless on Hunt 4Season Discs. I tend to have the pressure set to about 55 front and 65 rear.
When I have planned to do more trails I've stuck the original Alexrims wheels on which have currently got On-One Gravel Road 40's on. I need to find something slightly narrower though as they're a bit tight on clearance and I've put a few scratches on the underneath of the fork crown when stones have got stuck in the tread.
I'm still waiting for mine to be delivered to my nearest Evans store, the bike is in stock but I also ordered another Thomson seatpost and they are waiting for that, dont deliver one with out the other apparently.
I ride Ti as my 'road' bike, the Search is going to be my off road, single track, bridleway, woods,gravel bike, so will probably stick with the stock wheels/tyres for now, but after running a set of Hunt Race Season Wide on my Ti, they will be my first upgrade. msmart how go find the Hunt Discs? I'm tempted by the Hunt Disc and Schwalbe G in 35mm.
I did read the front end was a bit harsh, think the Bike Radar review said so, but I'll see how it rides before making any decisions on tyre change to tubeless. They indicated they thought the stiffness came thorugh the fork, possibly from the Thru Axle. Probably a real sweet spot in pressure required?
To be honest I think some of the harshness is more down to some neck and back problems I've been having than the fork/bike. If I catch a bump just wrong it really jars my neck and is pretty memorable!
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\nI think you're right about getting the perfect tyre pressure too. I ran 55psi front and back today with a 30mm tyre on the back and it seemed a lot better.
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\nWith regards to the Hunt's, I really like them. They're relatively cheap for the weight and they've coped with some pretty unsuitable terrain without issue. If I was buying again I'd get the Gravel model for the extra width.