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Volsung wrote:An r8000 will cover the extra 2 teeth with no probs and maybe the 11-40 without a road link. There are some YouTube videos showing it, but I've never tried because I live in MN and we don't have much in the way of hills.I second that. I'm using an Ultegra 6800 GS with a specified high sprocket 11-12 T and low sprocket 28-32 T. It shifts fine with high sprockets as large as 16 T and low sprockets as large as 40 T. It also specifies an 11-speed chain but shifts fine with an 8-speed or 9-speed chain.
Shimano is super conservative with their cassette size recommendations, like to the point where they can't be trusted.
TimmyR wrote:... I do not completely understand the capacity piece except as a number that you calculate ...The capacity is what length of chain the derailleur can wrap up as you go from the small/small combination (least chain required) to the large/large combination (most chain required). If your derailleur lacks sufficient capacity then the chain will either go slack in the small/small combination (bad) or fail to shift into the large/large combination (worse). I personally never use the small chainring with the smaller cogs so I don't account for that in capacity calculations. I do always check the large/large combination, even though I don't intentionally use that I could get there by accident. I suppose an electronic shifting system could be programmed to avoid extreme combinations but I've never used one.
Thing to keep in mind. Shimano is a notoriously conservative company when it comes to their claims about functionality. Which means that the number they give will work every day, all day, on any bike, chainstay, chainline, etc. Which also means that you can often violate those numbers and still have a fully functional drivetrain.
I run an 11-40 with 46/30 as my "normal" gearing on my Warbird with zero modifications to the Ultegra Di2 drivetrain. YMMV. I can also run an 11-42 or 11-46, but I have to use the RoadLink DM.
No one here can tell you what will work on your bike. If you want to color outside the lines, you have to try it. Bit I *CAN* tell you that there are a LOT of 11-40's out there being run with stock drivetrains.
Pro tip: If your chain gets long and you start to run into small/small slap, increase the size of the bottom pulley or run a longer cage.
TheSubaruGuru wrote:I didn't think much about max capacity either, but note that with the med-long cage Ultegra 6800 OEM early Diverge setup using 50/34 "compact rings" closed down to 46/34, there's sufficient capacity to run 11/36 cassette. Again, I've chosen to delete the higher-friction 11T cog so as to add on the 36T without removing an intermediate cog, with I think only +1 extra chain link...can't remember.
But it is maxed out, where accidental 34/12 is quite slack, and likewise 46/36 is uncomfortably snug...so I'm not sure if an accidental stock 50 with a 36cog requires an additional link again for the higher capacity. But you should be able to get the Goldilocks chain length to work without Wolfstooth nor other trickery, as Spesh simply understated the capacity...except with the short-cage derailleur.
(They also stated that the max tire width is 35, when I'm able to squeeze 38mm Pana-made tires in there nicely.)
GSParkes wrote:I can't seem to find Shimano/SRAM in this combo.
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